Dassault Mirage 2000-5 as modeled in LOMAC

[IronLegionnaire]

I've been asking around on the ubi.com forums but I haven't gotten a straight answer. A guy by the name of FZG_Immel pointed me here, since some of you guys might actually have experience with the actual aircraft.

Every site I visit tells me that the Mirage 2000-5 is a multirole aircraft, capable of carrying not only A2A loadouts, but effective A2G ones as well, rockets, iron bombs, LGBs provided it carries a laser designation pod...

Yet in LOMAC it is A2A only, with the R 550, SR 250, and the MICAs AR and IR.

To further compound the confusion, the official lo-mac site lists the aircraft as the Mirage 2000C, while in the game it is the Mirage 2000-5. What, if any difference is there between these aircraft models?

You'll have to forgive my lack of French-speaking (writing?) ability. I live here in Canada, and Grade 10 was some time ago...

[Matt]

Ok so... Im'not a pro, but I can try to give an answer without too much stupidities !

The -5 is not multirole. But there is a version destinated to the Greek Air Force (Mirage 2000-5 Mk2, equivalent english for block I suppose). And this version is really mltirole. It can carry Apache, laser guided bombs etc...

Perhaps the -5 can loud some air to ground bombs. But I'm not sure.

[EDIT]

Oh yes, I forgot something. The 2000-5 is multicible (I don't know how to say in english, multitarget ?) So here may be an explanation ? multicible has benn confused with multirole ?

[Highspeed]

Hi
M2000-5 is really a multirole aircraft but French air force version called -5F is air to air only
Mirage 2000c radar = Thomson RDI is a single target able to launch semi active missile
2000-5 F has multi target radar and can fire active missile MICA EM

[ex:Kaos]

http://www.dassault-aviation.com/gb/tec ... 2000-5.cfm
Maybe some response here, but anyway, specialists will soon flood your post with all the answers required.

[IronLegionnaire]

Hmm...

So the Mirage 2000-5 is a multi-role aircraft, but the version used by the French Airforce, the 2000-5F, is air-to-air only?

Something I found here.

The Mirage 2000-5 offers great possibilities for air-to-surface missions and can use all currently existing conventional weapons.

Furthermore, when fitted with a laser designation pod (TV/CT LDP), the Mirage 2000-5 can fire, both day and night, any laser-guided weapon with greatest accuracy.

Are only export versions truly multirole (A2A & A2G)?

It would be interesting to use the 2000-5 as a multirole aircraft in Lock On.

Edit: One more question. Where are the 30mm DEFA cannon located on the 2000-5? Generally cannon are usually located in the wing roots, or the belly, but they seem to have hidden them well on this aircraft.

[ex:Kaos]

On the belly of the aircraft, just under the cockpit, as on nearly all the aircraft of the Mirage family.

[Highspeed]

Here is a very interesting site about Mirage 2000
Mirage-jet

[IronLegionnaire]

Thanks for all the info, guys. It's much appreciated, as is anything else that you manage to dig up. I've been tearing my hair out trying to properly assess the capabilities of this aircraft. Everything I seem to find is very vague.

I've got a concurrent thread running the same topic over at the Lock On forums and you're all welcome to join in and add your input.

Mirage 2000-5 Thread

Once again, thanks for the help.

Edit: Updated link. Thread moved to Lock On Aviation Forum.

[Merlin (FZG_Immel)]

Salute Legionaire... So now you can see me here. Im gonna bring you some specialist of the mirage2K-5 here. I know who to contact. come back here later.


as you see, I have kinda better status here than at ubi forum :lol: I mean, in the hierarchy :lol: :lol: :lol:

[IronLegionnaire]

Thanks for the help, Immel!

I've been getting quite a bit of help on the topic back on the ubi forums, but I check back here to see if anyone's posted anything.

One site that I've found quite helpful is this one. All sorts of information about the Mirage 2000 and its many, many variants. Credit goes to nicole10 for finding this one.

Thanks again!

[Talon Karde]

In fact French 2000-5 could be able to do strikes or CAS, but it is a matter of software. As French Air Force have a specific version of the Mirage 2000 (called 2000D) for ground attacks, it uses only air to air capacities for this aircraft. But something is wrong with missiles in LOMAC : the 2000-5 doesn't use Super 530 and has no capacity to use the infrared version of the MICA (versions 2000-5 mk2 and 2000-9 can use it).

[Franck66]

Talon,

The French mirage 2000-5 need an upgrade to use the infrared release of the MICA ?

poor french air force

[Hurricane]

Pour le Mirage, voilà qui devrait répondre à...pas mal de questions :lol: :lol:

Y'a des trucs trés, mais alors trés trés trés trés cool dans les liens de C6

Mais alors VRAIMENT trés cools

Bonne Lecture !

OOPS ! Sorry...I spoke french
Well...I think it's a good link if you're interrested in good real world info about M-2000. Check Item N° 26

[Talon Karde]

Originally posted by FZG_franck66@Jan 19 2004, 03:02 PM
Talon,

The French mirage 2000-5 need an upgrade to use the infrared release of the MICA ?

poor french air force

So few, just a little software patch

[Moos_tachu]

Originally posted by Talon Karde@Jan 19 2004, 10:57 AM
and has no capacity to use the infrared version of the MICA (versions 2000-5 mk2 and 2000-9 can use it).

Are you absolutely sure about this last point ? I thought I had heard about the Mica IR starting operational use on FAF's Mirage 2000-5 in 2001 or 2002...

Sorry, I can't find where I read that, so I'm not completely sure. I'll check if I can find the information, if so I will tell you...

Moos

[coincoin]

Originally posted by FZG_franck66@Jan 19 2004, 03:02 PM
Talon,

The French mirage 2000-5 need an upgrade to use the infrared release of the MICA ?

poor french air force

Surely French Air Force are sponsored by Ubi soft :lol:

[Franck66]

Moos,

Great Avatar

[Talon Karde]

Originally posted by Moos_tachu+Jan 19 2004, 06:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Moos_tachu @ Jan 19 2004, 06:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Talon Karde@Jan 19 2004, 10:57 AM
and has no capacity to use the infrared version of the MICA (versions 2000-5 mk2 and 2000-9 can use it).

Are you absolutely sure about this last point ? I thought I had heard about the Mica IR starting operational use on FAF's Mirage 2000-5 in 2001 or 2002...

Sorry, I can't find where I read that, so I'm not completely sure. I'll check if I can find the information, if so I will tell you...

Moos [/b][/quote]
MICA IR is not available actually in FAF. But when it will arrive, it is sure that Mirage 2000-5 will be updated to use it. But without the helmet designator which is only for Rafale F2 and F3. It is not an important modification, just a little "patch". But I do not remember when the MICA IR will be delivered to the FAF.

[Moos_tachu]

Originally posted by FZG_franck66@Jan 19 2004, 06:44 PM
Moos,

Great Avatar

At least I don't have to tell you where it comes from

True, it looks great, like all your pictures anyway

[Kovy]

The Topsight-E HMS is planed for the mirage 2000-5 too

BTW, I guess it will be integrated on rafale F3 and not F2.

Actually, I think AdA wants to replace the R550 as soon as possible in order to operate only 2 types of Air-air missiles by 2015 : mica EM/IR and meteor.

It would also be a good idea to integrate the mica IR on the mirage 2000 D and N to improve their defence capabilies...but there is no money for that retrofit for the time being. :(

[Talon Karde]

Last time I saw information on the helmet mounted sight, it was cancelled for the Mirage. Maybee it has changed again

[FZG_Ventus]

Originally posted by Talon Karde@Jan 20 2004, 12:32 AM
It is not an important modification, just a little "patch".

Let's just hope that Dassault does not make such a mess of patch release as Lock-On 1.01 was... :P