je te fait un copier-coller de quelques avis "pro" 109 et 190.
A la vue des ces extraits on aurait tendance a croire que le 109 est le meilleur appareil surpassant tous les autres mais ce n'est pas le cas. C'est un assez bon avion avec ces défauts. Et en cherchant bien tu trouvera des extraits du même type flattant le mustang, spit...
Pour ce qui est des évaluations AFDU il n'indique pas à quel vitesse on été effectué les virage ce qui a son importance. D'après ce que j'ai pu lire le 109 tourne mieux que le p-51 à basse vitesse grâce a son poids et ces becs de bords d'attaque mais a haute vitesse le mustang est meilleur car les commandes du 109 sont lourdes.
D'ailleurs il n'y avait pas une histoire comme quoi un des 109 utilisé pour les évaluations AFDU disposait de canons en gondole?
En ce qui concerne l'age de la cellule le spit aussi fait son age.
James Edgar Johnson n'est pas un débutant. Il vient de prendre la tête du 610 Squadron. Celui qui va devenir le deuxième "as" de la chasse britannique compte déjà à cette époque six victoires confirmées. À Dieppe, il abat un Fw 190 et collabore à la destruction d'un autre appareil. Pourtant, en quelques instants, "Johnnie" Johnson se retrouve dans une situation critique. Il commet l'erreur de se laisser embarquer dans un combat tournoyant contre un Fw 190 alors qu'il ne dispose que d'un Spitfire Vb.
"…" Il est à moi ", pensais-je oubliant la vulnérabilité d'un Spitfire isolé, pendant que j'amorçais un virage serré pour arriver sur ses arrières. A pleins gaz, je maintenais le Spitfire dans le plus étroit des virages verticaux. Mais à ma grande surprise je ne parvenais pas à retrouver mon Italien (Un insigne peint sur le fuselage du Fw 190 fait croire à J. Johnson que son adversaire est Italien. Il s'agit vraisemblablement d'une confusion avec un insigne d'unité, personnel, ou une marque d'état-major N.D.A.) qui, d'après mes calculs aurait dû être dans ma ligne de tir. Je ne la voyais pas, et cela n'avait rien de surprenant, car il gagnait sur moi, et c'est bientôt lui qui m'aurait dans son collimateur. L'excès de confiance des secondes précédentes avait fait place à l'irritation d'avoir perdu mon adversaire, puis à une appréhension à me rendre malade. Je poussais le Spitfire au maximum de ses possibilités, mais le 190 restait collé derrière moi comme une sangsue.
I like it as an aeroplane, and with familiarity I think it will give most of the allied fighters I have flown a hard time, particularly in a close, hard turning, slow speed dog-fight. It will definitely out-maneuver a P-51 in this type of flight, the roll rate and slow speed characteristics being much better. The Spitfire on the other hand is more of a problem for the '109 and I feel it is a superior close in fighter. Having said that the aircraft are sufficiently closely matched that pilot abilty would probably be the deciding factor. At higher speeds the P-51 is definitely superior, and provided the Mustang kept his energy up and refused to dogfight he would be relatively safe against the '109.
I like the aeroplane very much, and I think I can understand why many of the Luftwaffe aces had such a high regard and preference for it."
- Mark Hanna of the Old Flying Machine Company flying the OFMC Messerschmitt Bf 109 G (Spanish version).
"An interesting sidebar was the discussion of turning circle. They believed that with average pilots the Spit would out turn the 109, but that if flown to the limit, the 109 could match the Spit. "
- Bob Doe & Ekkehard Bob. Source: Military Channel program.
Me109 was exceptional in turning combat. If there is a fighter plane built for turning combat , it has to be Messer! Speedy, maneuverable,(especially in vertical) and extremely dynamic. I can`t tell about all other things, but taking under consideration what i said above, Messerschmitt was ideal for dogfight. But for some reason majority of german pilots didn`t like turn fight, till this day i don`t know why.
I don`t know what was stopping them, but it`s definitely not the plane. I know that for a fact. I remember battle of Kursk where german aces were starting "roller-coaster" rides where our heads were about to come off from rotation. No, seriously... Is it true it`s a common thing now that Messer wasn`t maneuverable?
Interviewer: Yes.
Heh.. Why would people come up with something like this... It was maneuverable...by god it was."
- Major Kozhemyako, Soviet fighter ace. Source: translation from Russian language.
For us, the more experienced pilots, real manoeuvring only started when the slats were out. For this reason it is possible to find pilots from that period (1940) who will tell you that the Spitfire turned better than the Bf 109. That is not true. I myself had many dogfights with Spitfires and I could always out-turn them.
Armand Van Ishoven.
Nevertheless, during the campaign, no Spitfire or Hurricane ever turned inside my plane, and after the war the RAF admitted the loss of 450 Hurricanes and Spitfires during the Battle of France." In the desert there were only a few Spitfires, and we were afraid of those because of their reputation from the Battle of Britain. But after we shot a couple of them down, our confusion was gone."
- Herbert Kaiser, German fighter ace. 68 victories.
Two P-51 shootdowns with three-cannon Messerschmitt 109 G-6/R6:
"I got both in a turning battle, out-turning them. We did several times 360 degrees until he became nervous, then pulled a little too much. His plane "warned", the pilot had to give way a little and I was able to get deflection. When I got to shoot at the other one, the entire left side was ripped off.
- So you did several full circles, you must have flown near stalling speed. Did you fly with "the seat of your pants" or kept eye on the dials? What was the optimum speed in such a situation, it was level flight?
It was level flight and flying by "the seat of your pants". What should I say, I should say I was doing 250kmh and the Mustang must have more than 300kmh. That is why I was able to hang on but did not get the deflection.
- And you was flying a three cannon plane?
Yes, but I did fly another one as mine was under maintenance. It was the experience that counted. Experience helped to decide when you had tried different things.
- In which altitude did these Mustang dogfights take place?
It must have been about 2000m."
- Kyösti Karhila, Finnish fighter ace. 32 victories
sources:http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/feature/ ... /109myths/
http://aerostories.free.fr/events/diepp ... page3.html
en courant très très très vite...
