Le petit Dora a retrouvé son escadrille ...

[UF_Zargos]

Avec ce Fw190-D9 du 2./JG6 (merci à tous ceux qi ont contribué à son identification ) dont le pilote s'est rendu le 8 Mai 1945 aux forces aliées.



A télécharger ICI

A+

:D

[A.Mangogna]

Sublime réalisation professore !!

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[Pierre Alfaro]

Mais le lien pointe sur une skin de Me 262...

[UF_Zargos]

Originally posted by Pierre Alfaro@14 Apr 2005, 09:18
Mais le lien pointe sur une skin de Me 262...

C'est rectifié !

Le bon lien est aussi ICI

[UF_Josse]

Ben ouala, l'est plus orphelin le petit :jumpy: :P

Superbe papy

[oli]

A nouveau superbe !!!

Encore une fois merci (et non pas encore merci, une fois). :D

[Pierre Alfaro]

Originally posted by UF_Zargos@14 Apr 2005, 08:08
Avec ce Fw190-D9 du 2./JG6

[Mode Enc... de mouches ON] Plutôt du II./JG 6 [Mode Enc... de mouches OFF]

[YSony]

[Mode Super Enc... de mouches ON] Je dirais plutôt II/JG 6 [Mode Super Enc... de mouches OFF]

Pas de point après le II

[Pierre Alfaro]

Originally posted by III/JG52-Sony@14 Apr 2005, 21:22
Pas de point après le II

Je ne suis pas d'accord avec toi ^_^

[YSony]

Il me semblait avoir lu que seules les staffels prenaient un point après leur numéro, mais je peux me tromper.
J'ai sauté sur l'occasion offerte par ton post pour aborder le sujet...

[Tubs]

Je n'ai jamais étudié l'allemand, mais d'après ce que j'ai compris, 2 suivi d'un point par exemple, 2. signifie deuxième.

[Pierre Alfaro]

Originally posted by III/JG52-Sony+14 Apr 2005, 21:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (III/JG52-Sony @ 14 Apr 2005, 21:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>...mais je peux me tromper.
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TU TE TROMPES!

Et tu vas être sévérement réprimandé avec affectation immédiate au 702éme Bataillon Disciplinaire de Pioniers Démineurs actuellement stationné dans la région des marais de Grobovine-Nojgorod, face à la 104éme Armée Blindée Mongole de Choc et ses sept mille deux cent T-34 :jumpy: :jumpy: :help:

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d'après ce que j'ai compris, 2 suivi d'un point par exemple, 2. signifie deuxième.[/quote]

FELICITATIONS! <_<

Tu es promu au rang d'Obergefreiter pour commander le glorieux 702éme Bataillon de Pioniers Démineurs qui va engager trés bientôt une contre-attaque victorieuse contre des troupes mongoles sous-équipées!

[II/JG51-Patatras]

MDR :lol: :lol:

[fred 41]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tubs]

Sacré promotion :lol:

[C6_Martel]

Sacré promotion  :lol:

A ta place je demanderais ma mutation dans la Kriegsmarine... <_< C'est plus calme... ^_^



PS : Je dis ceci : Magnifique le Dora!!!

[UF_Zargos]

Originally posted by C6_Martel@15 Apr 2005, 16:05
Je dis ceci : Magnifique le Dora!!! 

Je veux mon neveu !

[Sting]

Ouaip, y'a rien à redire.
Ah si, merci beaucoup :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy:

[Moos_tachu]

Très joli boss

[Warlordimi]

Zargos!!! Va falloir le corriger! Ce n'est pas un "Noir 12", mais un "Bleu 12".

Merci à David Brown d'Experten Decals pour les explications!

Below is the Addenda for our Experten Decals #1 which included this aircraft.

It is "Blue 12" of 8./JG 6, and not Theo Nibel's aircraft "Black 12" of JG 26 shot down on January 1, 1945.

Cheers,

David

“Blau 12”, Fw 190 D-9, WNr.500570, 8./JG 6

At the time of writing (1993), little was known of the Staffel and number combinations used by JG 6 (1). Later study indicated that JG 6’s II. Gruppe’s four Staffeln were assigned the following colours: 5. Staffel = white, 6. Staffel = black, 7. Staffel = yellow, 8. Staffel = blue. A review of photos of known and suspected aircraft from II./JG 6 from various collections and publications was undertaken and the assignment of aircraft to the unit’s various Staffeln could be made (3). Two aircraft suspected of being from the 8. Staffel were identified: “Schwarze 12” and “Blau 9” (2). Both wore the unit’s distinctive ca. 1 meter long II. Gruppe bar, which, like the numbers, was outlined in white. If the numbers were indeed blue, the use of a white outline made sense. Photographs indicate that aircraft from the 5., 6. and 7. Staffeln all had numbers without white outlines, for example “Schwarze 4”, WNr. 211939 (9). At a distance, the dark shade of the blue colour 21 Dunkelblau is very difficult to distinguish from black. Blue numbers with a white outlines heightens the contrast between the colours and accentuates the darker blue. Thus, both these aircraft were in all probability wore blue numbers and were attached to 8./JG 6.

The well-known colour image of this aircraft provides rare information on its camouflage colours. Importantly, the associated camouflage scheme and probable identical camouflage colours are consistently seen in photographs of other later production 500000-series Doras (with minor variations), selected examples including:

• WNr.500613 - 10./III./JG 26 - Schwarze 10 - Found at Celle. (2)
• WNr.500636 - 1./I./JG 6 - Weisse 16 - Found abandoned at Bayreuth-Bindlach. (3)
• WNr.500638 - 5./II./JG301 - Weisse 12 - Found at Langensalza. (Ref: J.V. Crow Collection).
• WNr.500647 - 7./II./JG 26 - Braun 4 - Found abandoned at Hustedt. Wooden Ta 152 tail. 08-05-45 (4).
• WNr.500666 - 3./I./JG 301 - Gelbe 15 - Found at Straubing. (2, 3)

Study of these aircrafts’ photos and comparison with the colour photo of Blau 12 indicates that their undersides and fuselage sides were painted the green-blue variation of 76, fuselage spine and engine cowling in 81 Braunviolett and with an 82 Hellgrün overspray on the forward cowling and rear fuselage insert. The fuselage undersides appear to have been left in natural metal, while the rudder was painted with a light coat of standard 76 Lichtblau over a base coat of 75 Mittelgrau. The original upperwing camouflage colours interpretation was somewhat speculative, given that no clear images were known of this portion of the aircraft (1). Further uncertainty existed given the fact that major aircraft components such as the fuselage, wings, tails, engine ‘power-eggs’ and the like were built/assembled/completed in subcontractor factories dispersed throughout Germany. These components were in many cases painted prior to shipping but it also appears that some painting was done to unify the camouflage scheme to varying degrees. The resultant aircraft (Fw 190s, Me 262s, He 162s, and Bf 109s) made from these certainly reveal a number of variations in finishes, colours and schemes.

Initially, we interpreted the wing uppersurface colours for Blau 12 to have been 75 Mittelgrau and 77 Hellgrau, based on fragmentary views of this wing surface (1, 5). Subsequently, we considered it less likely that RLM 77, a colour used for night fighter unit code markings, was the lighter of the two colours observed. In addition, the use of RLM 75 on Doras at this stage of the war, in particular on very late production aircraft, was considered less likely. The observed increasing use of 81 and 82 on fighter aircraft further impelled us to reconsider the identity of the darker colour on Blau 12’s upperwing surface. The landing gear doors were originally thought to have been left in unpainted natural metal. This is still a possibility but it is more likely that these components were finished in 76 and later given a thin field-applied of a darker colour such as 81 or 83. This was done to tone done their brightness which would compromise its ground concealment.

Several years ago, a new photo of a previously unknown Dora surfaced and most importantly, clearly revealed the upperwing camouflage pattern, and, the probable colours (3). Weisse 16, WNr.500636 (believed to have been from 1./I./JG 6 based on its number and markings style) was found abandoned at Bayreuth-Bindlach in May 1945. The camouflage scheme on the wings and fuselage was identical to that interpreted for Blau 12 and the other examples listed above. Most importantly, through comparison of the wing colour grey tones with the known fuselage colours of Blau 12, the photo lead to the conclusion that they were not 75 and 77 and we originally interpreted, but 81 Braunviolett and the green-blue variation of 76 Lichtblau: “Grünblau” (6) / “RLM 76a (Variation) Graugrün” (7). In hindsight, this made perfect sense, since shortages, unavailability and substitutions affected all manner of manufactured items. In this particular case, the lack of 82 Hellgrün was compensated for by applying the wing undersurface colour on the uppersurface as well, with the green in the variation of 76 being accentuated by the brown in the 81. The 81 was then applied to the wing, with this procedure allowing the saving of both paint, and possibly the primer.

It is therefore considered quite probable that most if not all aircraft at least from within the approximate 500700-500636 Werknummer range had the same upperwing camouflage scheme and colours. Their fuselage schemes were certainly identical given the photographic evidence. With regards to Blau 12, careful study of Weisse 16’s photo indicates that some slight adjustments to the layout of the 81 Braunviolett is required. In addition, a patch of 82 Hellgrün was also sprayed on the fuselage spine extending from the jacking point to the fuselage-tail joint.

Finally, the “E9” marking on the engine cowl (decal #36) is incorrect (1). A clearer image of this marking was obtained by us and clearly reveals the white marking to read “(213)”, indicative of the engine type.

Citations:
1. Brown, D.E., and Wadman, D., 1993: History, Camouflage & Markings of JV 4 and JG 6 Focke-Wulf 190D-9s – Experten Decals No.1. Experten Historical Aviation Research, Calgary, 30p.
2. Hildebrandt, C., 1987: "Broken Eagles 1 - Fw 190D". Fighter Pictorials, Perkiomenville, 20p.
3. James V. Crow Collection
4. Urbanke, A., 1998: Green Hearts – First in Combat with the Dora-9. Eagle Editions, Hamilton, 351p.
5. Sheflin, S.W., 1985: Last of the Luftwaffe – “Roundup In The Sky” - Furth, Germany, 8 May 1945. Airfoil, Vol.1, No.3, pp.4-10, 31-38.
6. Merrick, K.A., and Hitchcock, T.H., 1980: The Official Monogram Painting Guide to Luftwaffe Aircraft. Monogram Aviation Publications, Boyleston, 144p. (plus 5 page Addenda and Errata).
7. Ullmann, M., 2002: Luftwaffe Colours. Hikoki Publications, Ottringham, 256p. (including colour paint chart).
8. Charles, C, and Pearson, D., 1999: Color Codes for Fighter Units. In: B. Rosch (Ed.), Luftwaffe Verband, Issue Number 18, April 1999, p.15-16.
9. Brown, D.E., and Wadman, D., 1995: History, Camouflage & Markings of JV 44, JG 6 and JG 1 Focke-Wulf 190Ds – Experten Decals No.3. Experten Historical Aviation Research, Calgary, 36p.

[UF_Zargos]

Ben on fera un 12 bleu-noir ...
:jumpy:
Putain, y'en a marre ! Pas moyen d'avoir 2 infos cohérentes sur ce zinc ... deviens maboul moi !

[Tubs]

Merci à Warlord pour la pêche aux infos