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MajorBug a écrit :Au passage le Mig-29 enfonce très largement le F-16 au rapport poussée poids ... donc égalité sur le test d'accélération, faut arrêter la fumette

toopack66 a écrit :Sur un forum moto on me disait que les motos bleu accèlèraient plus fort que les noires , scientifiquement prouvé !
çà doit partir des mêmes études , ou alors fait par les mêmes spécialistes

MajorBug a écrit :Les gens qui achètent du 2000 ? Ils achètent pas américain donc c'est des cons.

:laugh:

Merlin (FZG_Immel) a écrit :vous oubliez que bien que propagandiste, l'article ne dénigre pas le M2000... le peu de connaissance du delta leur font quand mm dire que plus on va vite et haut, + le M2k est à l'aise par rapport aux autres

Crazy, vos hornets sont trop sales, les notres, bien lustré tiennent le 1.2 en virage :P

&quot a écrit :As far as the M2000 vs F-16 comparison is concerned, I should add something totally practical which comes from daily usage of both types in HAF. What I want to say is generally that when a HAF M2000 wants to engage a Viper, it leads the Viper at low altitude where the M2000 connot be beaten in any way.I haven't seen yet any aircraft-apart from Su-27 family,which is, for me, the best aircraft ever built-that can achieve "Kill Hour" on a M2000 below 6-7,000 ft no matter the aspect between them. Ok? I have nothing else to add,as Fantasma337 -ask him about F-4E, I think no one else knows more about this aircraft- and the other Greek friends covered me and gave you a very clear picture about the M2000.

&quot a écrit :Would you agree with these statements of a former HAF fighter pilot?


<<To conclude, the Mirage 2000 is slicker than the Viper but less powerful. >>

This true.

>>With good pilots on both sides, they are probably equal in dogfight>>

This is wrong. A good pilot in an M2K will kill a good pilot in an F-16 9 out of 10 times (1 provided for launch failure).

I served in an M2K fighter squadron in HAF. We analyzed tactics and combat scores against HAF F-16 squadrons all the time.

The M2Ks higher INSTANTANEOUS turn rate gives it an advantage during the first pass. The F-16 cannot outturn the Mirage. It has to climb in hopes of avoiding the lock. A good M2K pilot will end it right there (the Magic 2 is a better IR weapon than the AIM-9L/M).

A rookie in the M2K, however, will probably lose the F-16's climb. The more powerful viper will escape and will then gain the advantage because of 1) Altitude 2) Higher SUSTAINABLE turn rate.

As for turn rates, altitude differences are purely theoretical and in practice make no difference EXCEPT for sea level manuevers where the more powerful Viper starts gaining the advantage.
Would you agree with the statement that F-16 is a better choice for multi role missions than Mirage 2000 ?

Absolutely. The M2K is a multi-role fighter also, but its performance varies greatly among roles - whereas the Viper performs almost all missions at a very satisfactory level.

HAF M2Ks are specialized. 331's (where I served) primary role is now TASMO (naval strike with AM-39 Exocet) and 332's primary role will become Deep Strike (with SCALP EG). CAP & Air Supremacy are their secondary roles.

The F-16 sqdns OTOH undertake a number of roles such as SEAD, CAP, CAS, and numerous specialized strike missions (enemy AFBs, enemy C&C centers etc). The Viper is a much more volatile weapons system.
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HAF seems not to be the only one who prefers M2000 over Viper.IMO Rafale will win over Typhoon in Greece..The Greeks have traditionally excellent relations with French and Dassault is desperate to find an export market for Rafale and may offer very very favorable terms..