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l’ambassadeur d’Indonésie aux États-Unis, Muhammad Lutfi, a expliqué lors d’une « téléconférence » de presse donnée le 2 novembre, qu’il n’était pas question pour Washington de vendre des F-35 à Jakarta pour le moment car il faudrait attendre neuf ans pour honorer une éventuelle commande.
À la place, le chef du Pentagone, Mark Esper, a proposé à son homologue indonésien d’acquérir des chasseurs-bombardiers F-16 « Viper » [l’ultime version du F-16 de Lockheed-Martin, ndlr] ou des F/A-18 Super Hornet. Soit des avions classés dans la génération 4,5. Selon le diplomate, il s’agirait d’une étape indispensable pour que la force aérienne indonésienne puisse éventuellement envisager un jour mettre en oeuvre des F-35. « Nous devons avoir des avions de combat de génération 4,5 avant de passer à la cinquième génération », a-t-il dit.
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Reste maintenant à voir la décision que prendra Jakarta après le refus américain de lui vendre des F-35.
Déjà, le projet d’acquérir (...) 15 Eurofighter autrichiens est toujours sur la table, M. Prabowo s’étant d’ailleurs rendu à Vienne le 20 octobre pour évoquer ce dossier. Ensuite, la commande concernant (...) 11 Su-35 pourrait être d’autant plus relancée que, à ce jour, et hormis pour la Chine, les États-Unis n’ont pas appliqué la loi CAATSA. Une autre possibilité serait que les responsables indonésiens se tournent vers la France, comme cela avait été envisagé en janvier dernier. Enfin, il n’est pas exclu non plus que les États-Unis arrivent à leurs fins… et vendent leurs F-16 Viper.

warbird2000 a écrit : ↑

mar. nov. 10, 2020 10:21 pm

Les usa approuvent la vente de 50 F-35 aux eau

Le package atteint la somme monstrueuse de 23 milliards de dollars mais
inclut aussi 18 mq-9 et des milliers d'armes


https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing ... 67.article

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warbird2000 a écrit : ↑

mer. nov. 11, 2020 10:25 am

Biden n'est pas encore en fonction
Je ne suis pas sur qu'il puisse annuler quelque chose qui a été autorisé
sachant aussi que les républicains risquent de garder le sénat

Et puis les démocrates ont toujours été pro f-35
C'est trump qui a retourné sa veste

ironclaude a écrit : ↑

mer. nov. 11, 2020 12:42 pm

C'est plutôt la question d'aller vendre le tout dernier chasseur US à un client pas fiable à 100%

Milos a écrit : ↑

mer. nov. 11, 2020 1:00 pm

D'un côté la morale, de l'autre 23 milliards $ ...

TOPOLO a écrit : ↑

mer. nov. 11, 2020 2:28 pm

…
Le fait d'avoir des alliées privilégiés (et donc d"autre qui ne le sont pas) n'a rien à voir avec la morale, mais uniquement avec le pouvoir et la manière de s'en servir (ou d'en abuser) à moyen et long terme

ironclaude a écrit : ↑

mer. nov. 11, 2020 12:42 pm

C'était peut être même pas contractuellement correct, mais, bon, " à quoi sert le pouvoir si on peut pas en abuser ? "

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sam. nov. 14, 2020 7:33 pm

C'est quoi tous ces petits points blancs ? Des cache-rivets ?

JulietBravo a écrit : ↑

sam. nov. 14, 2020 9:01 pm

Milos a écrit : ↑

sam. nov. 14, 2020 7:33 pm

C'est quoi tous ces petits points blancs ? Des cache-rivets ?

Milos, tu aurais un lien vers la page d'où est tirée la photo ?

warbird2000 a écrit : ↑

sam. nov. 14, 2020 9:50 pm

JulietBravo a écrit : ↑

sam. nov. 14, 2020 9:01 pm

Milos a écrit : ↑

sam. nov. 14, 2020 7:33 pm

C'est quoi tous ces petits points blancs ? Des cache-rivets ?

Milos, tu aurais un lien vers la page d'où est tirée la photo ?

Le lien au-dessus

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According to sources familiar with the matter, Defense Minister Nikos Panagiotopoulos already has a proposal ready for the US for the acquisition of six fifth-generation F-35 fighters, with few flight hours, which could even be delivered to Greece within 2021.
Athens will implement the plan to acquire 18 more new aircraft of this type in due course, so that the HAF will end up with a total of 24 F-35s.
As for the supply of the French Rafale jets, the issue is expected to come to the Parliament in December. Meanwhile, the first six used aircraft are expected within the first half of 2021.
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The allegations suggest that European fighter manufacturers were also among the U.S. intelligence agency’s targets.
Reports in the Danish media allege that the United States spied on the country’s government and its defense industry, as well as other European defense contractors, in an attempt to gain information on its fighter acquisition program. The revelations, published online by DR, Denmark’s Danish public-service broadcaster, concern the run-up to the fighter competition that was eventually won by the U.S.-made Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter.
The report cites anonymous sources suggesting that the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) targeted Denmark’s Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and the defense firm Terma, which also contributes to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program.
Allegedly, the NSA sought to conduct espionage using an existing intelligence-sharing agreement between the two countries. Under this agreement, it is said the NSA is able to tap fiber-optic communication cables passing through Denmark and stored by the Danish Defense Intelligence Service, or Forsvarets Efterretningstjeneste (FE). Huge amounts of data sourced from the Danish communication cables are stored in an FE data center, built with U.S. assistance, at Sandagergård on the Danish island of Amager, to which the NSA also has access.
This kind of sharing of confidential data is not that unusual within the intelligence community, in which the NSA is known to trade high-level information with similar agencies within the Five Eyes alliance (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States), as well as other close allies, such as Germany and Japan, for example.
It would be hoped, however, that these relationships would not be used by the NSA to secretly gather information on the countries with which it has agreements, which is exactly what is alleged to have taken place in Denmark.
A source told DR that between 2015 and 2016 the NSA wanted to gather information on the Danish defense company Terma in a “targeted search” ahead of Denmark’s decision on a new fighter jet to replace its current fleet of F-16s. This is the competition that the F-35 won in June 2016.
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In this case, the sources also contend that the NSA used its access to Danish communication cables and FE databases to search for communications related to two other companies, Eurofighter GmbH and Saab, who were respectively offering the Typhoon and Gripen multi-role fighters for the Danish F-16 replacement program. While the Gripen was withdrawn from the Danish competition in 2014, the Typhoon remained in the running until the end, alongside the F-35 and the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.
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Importantly, however, it is alleged that the NSA’s use of Danish-American intelligence channels to “listen in” on Danish organizations was illegal. Concerns about the breach of trust led to an internal whistleblower making at least two confidential reports for the FE, some of the contents of which have now apparently been leaked.
The whistleblower reports are said to have warned the FE leadership about possible illegalities in an intelligence collaboration between Denmark and the United States to drain Danish internet cables of information that the intelligence services could use in their work. Furthermore, the reports allegedly warned that the NSA was also targeting a number of Denmark’s “closest neighbors,” including France, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, and Sweden and that some of the espionage conducted by the NSA was judged to be “against Danish interests and goals.”
The DR investigation admits it’s currently impossible to determine whether the FE acted on the basis of the whistleblower’s reports. Intelligence-sharing between the two countries has been a public issue since last summer, when it first emerged that the NSA was accessing data from the Danish cables, apparently including Danish citizens’ personal data and private communications. At the time, the Danish government suspended the head of the FE and three other officials.
As for the Joint Strike Fighter purchase, it seems likely to escape any fallout from the revelations. There is currently no evidence that the government’s decision to procure the F-35 was in any way influenced by alleged activities by the NSA, although it’s worth noting, too, that the country’s decision to choose the stealth fighter has been the subject of its own criticism. Denmark’s national audit agency, for example, identified serious shortcomings in the decision-making process and calculations used as the basis for selecting the aircraft.
However, the country is still on track to receive 27 F-35As and Lockheed Martin reported on October 21, 2020, that Denmark’s first example, AP-1, was headed to final assembly at its Fort Worth, Texas, production facility. The delivery of the first aircraft is due next year.
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Regardless of how the FE and the government react to the latest allegations, if they are substantiated, then the terms of the current U.S.-Danish intelligence-sharing agreement may be judged to be in need of at least a major review. If there is any substance to these allegations, then it’s possible other countries that have made controversial choices to select the F-35 may come under new scrutiny, as well.