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ChrisDNT a écrit :mais ça peut être les systèmes qui datent et "imposent" un changement (ou un ugrade, mais est-ce aussi intéressant ?)
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Il y a de très bons kits de modernisation pour le F-5E/F, rendant l'avion apte à l'intervention tous-temps et au tir de l'AMRAAM. Ce qui serait, il me semble, suffisant pour la mission de police aérienne, en soutien des Hornet.

jojo a écrit :Je connais des F-5 avec du Derby (ou R-Darter mais c'est caïman la même chose), mais pas avec l'Amraam. Et puis le radar aussi est Israélien...voir au Brésil.

TooCool_12f a écrit :impossible, non.... mais a quel cout pour quel gain et pour combien d'appareils?

en fait, la question est "cela en vaut-il la peine"?

Mais bon, les militaires ont certainement déjà dû y penser...

Among the three NFA candidates, the Rafale was the aircraft which demonstrated the best effectiveness and suitability in the accomplishment of all types of Air-to-Air missions, Recce and Strike missions. In addition, the Rafale made the best impression to the pilots.
The strong points of the Rafale were the quality of its sensors such as the PESA radar, the Frontal Optronics and the EW suite SPECTRA. The good data fusion of all its sensors allowed to provide to the pilot a very good Situational Awareness. A new concept to display all mission data has been implemented. The Recce Pod demonstrated also outstanding performances. The actual weak point of the Rafale was the lack of Helmet Mounted Sight System. The Rafale has been rated satisfactory in the accomplishment of all types of Air-to-Air, Recce and Strike missions with some enhancing characteristics in several domains. The Rafale obtained the 1st rank in the evaluation of the effectiveness.

The Eurofighter was able to fulfill all Mission Essential Tasks required by Air-to-Air missions. Hence, in the Air-to-Air domain, there were several deficiences that prevented a good execution of some mission essential tasks. The a/c performances (super cruise at Mach 1.4) were among the strong points of the Eurofighter. The sensor data fusion and the EW suite performances can be mentionned among the weak points.
The Eurofighter was rated satisfactory for Air Policing missions and satisfactory with comments in the accomplishment of DCA and Escort missions. The Eurofighter could be engaged in Recce and Strike missions, nevertheless there were also several limiting factors affecting the overall mission success. Range and systems reliability were the main limiting factors of the Eurofighter. The RecceLite Pod provided only basic solutions for Recce Tasks. For Strike missions, the Eurofighter was not able to engage multiple targets in one pass (multiple DMPI). Despite the mentioned limitations, the capabilities of the Eurofighter to fulfill Recce and Strike missions were rated as unsatisfactory. The Eurofighter obtained the 2nd rank in the evaluation of the effectiveness.

Although the Gripen could be engaged in all type of Air-to-Air, Recce or Strike missions, there were several limiting factord affecting the overall mission success. Given by its design, the endurance, aircraft performances and aircraft weapon load were among the main limiting factors of the Gripen.
For Recce missions, the RecceLite Pod was also used by the Gripen. Multiple targets were not able to be engaged during Strike missions. There was no sensor data fusion between the Radar and EW suite. Among the strong points, the Gripen has three large screens to display Situational Awareness and mission data. The EW suite can be mentionned among the strong points of the Gripen.
The Gripen has been rated unsatisfactory in the accomplishment for Air-to-Air and Strike missions. In the Recce domain the Gripen was assessed satisfactory with comments. The Gripen obtained the 3rd rank in the evaluation of the effectiveness.

ogami musashi a écrit :(...) Non parcequ'en ce moment...on lit que les (...) sont mauvais joueurs et que leur avion c'est de la merde...

ogami musashi a écrit : Juste histoire de pas se lancer dans des effusions disproportionnées et sans enlever aux qualités du rafale...l'eurofighter a scoré significativement plus dans le critère "aircraft performance" (qualités de vol). (...)

Deltafan a écrit :Tiens, c'est pas ce qu'on lit des Anglais sur les Français/le Rafale depuis 25 ans ?

Tu as le détail quelque part ? Je n'ai pas réussi à (re?)trouver cette partie des résultats dans mes recherches, que ce soit sur C6 ou sur Google

Franck66 a écrit :lien intéressant
http://lignesdedefense.blogs.ouest-fran ... suisse.pdf

ogami musashi a écrit :C'est justement le point. Quand c'est les français qui critiquent les autres c'est toujours fondé, mais quand c'est les autres qui nous critiquent c'est toujours mesquin.
Chaque fois que le matos francais perd un contrat c'est jamais le matériel qui est moins adapté c'est toujours une question d'argent et de politique, mais par contre quand les autres critiquent le matos francais dans un contrat gagné ils sont toujours "mauvais joueurs";