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#1177
The War Department announced today that the new multi-seater fighter, technically known as the XFM-1, built by the Bell Aircraft Company at Buffalo, made its initial trial flight at the Municipal airport at Buffalo today. The flight was entirely successful.
No plane of recent times has created more speculation or has been watched with greater interest by observers than this new fighter since the War Department first, on July 19th, announced that it had been completed and delivered to the airport for ...
The XFM-1 is designed with the idea that there is great need for a fighter capable of coping with the giant bombers of the so-called "Flying Fortress" type. It is expected that this plane will have sufficient speed to overhaul these large, fast bombers and the gun power to cope with them successfully when engaged.
The multi-seater fighter will soon go to Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio for final flight tests, after which it is expected that it will be sent to the GHQ Air Force, Langley Field, Va., where it will be flown in competition with other craft and a new set of tactics worked out for its employment.
The plane contains some radical departures from conventional military design. To begin with, it is a pusher--its propellers are behind the wings. This is a revolutionary change in modern airplane construction. Engineers believe that this will give increased propeller efficiency. This arrangement permits the wing gunners, one on either wing, to have a free field of fire and observation to the front, uninterrupted by engine or propeller. This change in design also frees the gunners from having to work in the propeller blast, a handicap to gun maneuver and accuracy.
It is believed that this plane will develop sufficient speed to overhaul any air targets. This plane has six guns, more powerful armament than ever before carried on a fighter. It also carries light bombs. It accommodates a crew of five, pilot, copilot-navigator, radio operator-gunner, and two outboard wing gunners. It is powered by two engines recently developed by the Allison Engineering Corporation in conjunction with Air Corps engineers. All gasoline is carried in compartments in its giant wings. This materially reduces the fire hazard.
The new monoplane embodies all the latest design devices to increase its speed and air-worthiness. Its landing gear and tail wheel are electrically retractable. It carries flaps to reduce its landing speed. It provides heated compartments for all memebrs of its crew, which will be needed at its fighting ceiling over thirty thousand feet.
It contains some new and radical departures which may have far reaching significance for the civil air industry as well as the military. Among these are its power plant location and its pusher propellers, and the auxiliary power plant for retracting landing gear, for lights, radio and starters. The auxiliary plant drives nine electric motors, taking this load off the two engines which drive the propellers. This new fighter can continue to transmit radio messages after forced landing when its main power plants are dead.
An innovation in this plane is the interchangeability of any or all members of the crew. The wing gunners can travel between their stations and the main fuselage while in flight; the copilot can change places with the pilot; the radio operator can man the guns; all stations have intercommunication. The advantageous location of the wing gunners in front of the engines permits them to see the pilot, making visual signals practicable between all members of the crew. Complete telephone inter-communication is also provided.
No plane of recent times has created more speculation or has been watched with greater interest by observers than this new fighter since the War Department first, on July 19th, announced that it had been completed and delivered to the airport for ...
The XFM-1 is designed with the idea that there is great need for a fighter capable of coping with the giant bombers of the so-called "Flying Fortress" type. It is expected that this plane will have sufficient speed to overhaul these large, fast bombers and the gun power to cope with them successfully when engaged.
The multi-seater fighter will soon go to Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio for final flight tests, after which it is expected that it will be sent to the GHQ Air Force, Langley Field, Va., where it will be flown in competition with other craft and a new set of tactics worked out for its employment.
The plane contains some radical departures from conventional military design. To begin with, it is a pusher--its propellers are behind the wings. This is a revolutionary change in modern airplane construction. Engineers believe that this will give increased propeller efficiency. This arrangement permits the wing gunners, one on either wing, to have a free field of fire and observation to the front, uninterrupted by engine or propeller. This change in design also frees the gunners from having to work in the propeller blast, a handicap to gun maneuver and accuracy.
It is believed that this plane will develop sufficient speed to overhaul any air targets. This plane has six guns, more powerful armament than ever before carried on a fighter. It also carries light bombs. It accommodates a crew of five, pilot, copilot-navigator, radio operator-gunner, and two outboard wing gunners. It is powered by two engines recently developed by the Allison Engineering Corporation in conjunction with Air Corps engineers. All gasoline is carried in compartments in its giant wings. This materially reduces the fire hazard.
The new monoplane embodies all the latest design devices to increase its speed and air-worthiness. Its landing gear and tail wheel are electrically retractable. It carries flaps to reduce its landing speed. It provides heated compartments for all memebrs of its crew, which will be needed at its fighting ceiling over thirty thousand feet.
It contains some new and radical departures which may have far reaching significance for the civil air industry as well as the military. Among these are its power plant location and its pusher propellers, and the auxiliary power plant for retracting landing gear, for lights, radio and starters. The auxiliary plant drives nine electric motors, taking this load off the two engines which drive the propellers. This new fighter can continue to transmit radio messages after forced landing when its main power plants are dead.
An innovation in this plane is the interchangeability of any or all members of the crew. The wing gunners can travel between their stations and the main fuselage while in flight; the copilot can change places with the pilot; the radio operator can man the guns; all stations have intercommunication. The advantageous location of the wing gunners in front of the engines permits them to see the pilot, making visual signals practicable between all members of the crew. Complete telephone inter-communication is also provided.
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BlackbirdSR71
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#1178
bouhhh j'ai raté le M-21 et son petit D-21.
Vous avez nommé tout les Blackbird .. Sauf 2 ! Lesquels ? dont 1 = a un autre (bon je suis gentil la'utre nom du SR-71C et lautre que vous avez oublié).
Vous avez nommé tout les Blackbird .. Sauf 2 ! Lesquels ? dont 1 = a un autre (bon je suis gentil la'utre nom du SR-71C et lautre que vous avez oublié).
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Clarence L. Kelly Johnson
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T-REX FFW04
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#1179
KNOWN VARIANTS:
Oxcart Classified designation given to the A-12 project by the CIA
Senior Crown Classified designation given to the SR-71 project
A-11 Archangel Lockheed's internal designation for its proposal to meet the CIA's high-speed reconnaissance aircraft requirement
A-12 Original design concept for a high speed bomber/interceptor, but built as a single-seat recon/strike platform, based on the A-11 design but with improvements to lower the radar cross section; 13 built (5 lost)
M-21 Originally intended as A-12 airframes but modified during construction with a second seat for an officer to operate the D-21 drone, the new designation refers to the aircraft's role as a mothership (M-21) to launch the daughter (D-21) and increase reconnaissance range; 2 built (1 lost)
YF-12A Initially designed as an interceptor prototype equipped with a Hughes AN/ASG-18 pulse-Doppler radar in the nose and tandem weapons bays for AIM-47 air-to-air missiles, later used by NASA as Mach 3 research aircraft; 3 built (2 lost)
F-12B Proposed production model of the YF-12A to serve as a USAF high-speed interceptor; cancelled
YF-12C A-12 airframe modified with increased fuel capacity and other refinements to test many of the improvements incorporated into the SR-71; 1 converted
RB-12 A proposed reconnaissance bomber variant that reached the mockup stage before being cancelled
RS-12 Proposed strike model
B-12 or B-71 Proposed dedicated bomber variants
RS-71A Original designation for the dedicated reconnaissance model
SR-71A Definitive reconnaissance model with aerodynamic refinements, improved airframe, greater range, and fitted with advanced surveillance equipment; 29 built (11 lost)
SR-71B Two-seat trainer with a separate raised cockpit for an instructor pilot; 2 built (1 lost)
SR-71C Two-seat trainer rebuilt from a YF-12A structural test model and incorporating parts from other crashed airframes, built to replace one of the SR-71B trainers that was lost, later used by NASA; 1 converted
Oxcart Classified designation given to the A-12 project by the CIA
Senior Crown Classified designation given to the SR-71 project
A-11 Archangel Lockheed's internal designation for its proposal to meet the CIA's high-speed reconnaissance aircraft requirement
A-12 Original design concept for a high speed bomber/interceptor, but built as a single-seat recon/strike platform, based on the A-11 design but with improvements to lower the radar cross section; 13 built (5 lost)
M-21 Originally intended as A-12 airframes but modified during construction with a second seat for an officer to operate the D-21 drone, the new designation refers to the aircraft's role as a mothership (M-21) to launch the daughter (D-21) and increase reconnaissance range; 2 built (1 lost)
YF-12A Initially designed as an interceptor prototype equipped with a Hughes AN/ASG-18 pulse-Doppler radar in the nose and tandem weapons bays for AIM-47 air-to-air missiles, later used by NASA as Mach 3 research aircraft; 3 built (2 lost)
F-12B Proposed production model of the YF-12A to serve as a USAF high-speed interceptor; cancelled
YF-12C A-12 airframe modified with increased fuel capacity and other refinements to test many of the improvements incorporated into the SR-71; 1 converted
RB-12 A proposed reconnaissance bomber variant that reached the mockup stage before being cancelled
RS-12 Proposed strike model
B-12 or B-71 Proposed dedicated bomber variants
RS-71A Original designation for the dedicated reconnaissance model
SR-71A Definitive reconnaissance model with aerodynamic refinements, improved airframe, greater range, and fitted with advanced surveillance equipment; 29 built (11 lost)
SR-71B Two-seat trainer with a separate raised cockpit for an instructor pilot; 2 built (1 lost)
SR-71C Two-seat trainer rebuilt from a YF-12A structural test model and incorporating parts from other crashed airframes, built to replace one of the SR-71B trainers that was lost, later used by NASA; 1 converted
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T-REX FFW04
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#1180
Ou alors faisais-tu référence à des protos de test comme le "SR-71 Big Tail" ou le projet pour le moteur "X-33 aerospike", ou encore les plans-canards apposé sur le nez du SR-71A ? Mais bon, pas de nouveau nom à donner...
Ou alors faisais-tu référence au surnom de "Habu" ?
Ou alors faisais-tu référence au surnom de "Habu" ?
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#1181
Un petit autre pour compléter cette fabuleuse série. La photo est pas de la meilleure qualité qui existe, mais vous devriez trouver. Pièce jointe :
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BlackbirdSR71
Topic author - Jeune Pilote
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#1182
Personne ne trouve ???
La plupart genre RS-12, B-71 n'ont jamais vu le jour.
C'etait le A-12B Titanium Goose, version biplace du A-12, pour l'entrainement. Il ressemble beaucoup au M-12. Il est pris en compte des 13 A-12 construits. 1 A-12B construits.
L'autre avion me dis quelque chose. Il a un air de North american ou de Rebuplic genre XF-103. Peut etre une version du X-15 ?
La plupart genre RS-12, B-71 n'ont jamais vu le jour.
C'etait le A-12B Titanium Goose, version biplace du A-12, pour l'entrainement. Il ressemble beaucoup au M-12. Il est pris en compte des 13 A-12 construits. 1 A-12B construits.
L'autre avion me dis quelque chose. Il a un air de North american ou de Rebuplic genre XF-103. Peut etre une version du X-15 ?
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Clarence L. Kelly Johnson
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#1183
T'es pas loin, on va dire que tu chauffes... c'est pas du NA ni du Republic...BlackbirdSR71 a écrit :Personne ne trouve ???
La plupart genre RS-12, B-71 n'ont jamais vu le jour.
C'etait le A-12B Titanium Goose, version biplace du A-12, pour l'entrainement. Il ressemble beaucoup au M-12. Il est pris en compte des 13 A-12 construits. 1 A-12B construits.
L'autre avion me dis quelque chose. Il a un air de North american ou de Rebuplic genre XF-103. Peut etre une version du X-15 ?
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BlackbirdSR71
Topic author - Jeune Pilote
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#1184
lockheed ? Northrop ? X-plane ?
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T-REX FFW04
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#1185
Voici une galerie de photos du SR-71 et pour aller plus loin voici le SR-71 Flight Manual si, si ! et plein d'autres infos ...
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#1186
De papier (projet qui n'a pas abouti) mais qui a laissé place à un NA bien connu, pas construit en grande série. Ses pilotes ont des ailes particulières sur la poitrine...BlackbirdSR71 a écrit :lockheed ? Northrop ? X-plane ?
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#1187
Une sorte de pré-Columbia quoi ?
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#1188
Techniquement et historiquement on peut dire ça, effectivement. T'es pas loin du compte.
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SpruceGoose
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#1189
Ne serait-ce pas le Douglas Model 684 ? (en compétition avec X15)Ivan a écrit :De papier (projet qui n'a pas abouti) mais qui a laissé place à un NA bien connu, pas construit en grande série...
#1190
Vraiment très près mais ce n'est pas encore ça. En revanche t'es sur le bon filon.SpruceGoose a écrit :Ne serait-ce pas le Douglas Model 684 ? (en compétition avec X15)
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BlackbirdSR71
Topic author - Jeune Pilote
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#1191
Bell D-171 ?
EDIT: ressemble VACHEMENT au Douglas 684 proposé par spruceGoose
EDIT: ressemble VACHEMENT au Douglas 684 proposé par spruceGoose
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SpruceGoose
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#1192
Oui mais l'avion-mystère a les ailes et le cockpit plus en arrière, ce qui donne cette impression de nez très long.BlackbirdSR71 a écrit :... ressemble VACHEMENT au Douglas 684 proposé par spruceGoose
#1193
Ah mais je te dis pas le contraire, ça y ressemble terriblement, c'est bien un Douglas, seulement 684 ce n'est pas la désignation exacte (ie, donc non ce n'est pas un Bell...)BlackbirdSR71 a écrit :Bell D-171 ?
EDIT: ressemble VACHEMENT au Douglas 684 proposé par spruceGoose
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#1194
Ben j'ai un peu cherché, et j'ai pas trouvé grand chose...
par contre ma recherche m'a permis de rajouter deux sites dans mes favoris
La représentation ne serait-elle pas celle du concurrent du X-20 plutôt que celui du X-15 ?
Sinon, j'ai vu une appellation quelque part : DOUGLAS 1377 mais je ne sais pas à quoi ça correspond.
A parti ça, j'ai trouvé la même représentation (en plus grand...) sur un autre site...:
http://xplanes.free.fr/x15/x15-2-3.html
par contre ma recherche m'a permis de rajouter deux sites dans mes favoris
La représentation ne serait-elle pas celle du concurrent du X-20 plutôt que celui du X-15 ?
Sinon, j'ai vu une appellation quelque part : DOUGLAS 1377 mais je ne sais pas à quoi ça correspond.
A parti ça, j'ai trouvé la même représentation (en plus grand...) sur un autre site...:
http://xplanes.free.fr/x15/x15-2-3.html
#1195
Nan nan tu es bien sur la bonne voie comme Spruce, c'est un concurrent -sans suite d'ailleurs- du X-15. Allez je donne une piste : skyrocket. Il y a un lien entre l'avion mystère et ce dernier...Deltafan a écrit :Ben j'ai un peu cherché, et j'ai pas trouvé grand chose...
par contre ma recherche m'a permis de rajouter deux sites dans mes favoris
La représentation ne serait-elle pas celle du concurrent du X-20 plutôt que celui du X-15 ?
Sinon, j'ai vu une appellation quelque part : DOUGLAS 1377 mais je ne sais pas à quoi ça correspond.
A parti ça, j'ai trouvé la même représentation (en plus grand...) sur un autre site...:
http://xplanes.free.fr/x15/x15-2-3.html
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#1196
Pour moi c'est aussi une vue d'artiste du Douglas model 684 proposé pour le programme X-15
http://xplanes.free.fr/x15/x15-2-3.html
Euhh, et si on pouvait rester sur les avions réels à l'avenir... parce que les projets...
http://xplanes.free.fr/x15/x15-2-3.html
Euhh, et si on pouvait rester sur les avions réels à l'avenir... parce que les projets...
#1197
EDIT : grosse bétise, je me mélange les pinceaux
Douglas model 671 D-558-3
Ils sont très proches en effet
Douglas model 671 D-558-3
Ils sont très proches en effet
#1198
Bravo Tubs, t'as gagné (euh quoi au fait ?). Le lien repose autour du fait que le Skyrocket est le D558-2, et notre D558-3 était baptisé Skyflash. Il a perdu la compétition face au Noth American X-15.Tubs a écrit :EDIT : grosse bétise, je me mélange les pinceaux
Douglas model 671 D-558-3
Ils sont très proches en effet
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#1199
Bon alors puisque Tubs souhaite qu'on reste dans le réel, voici une autre "bizarrerie" aéronautique. Qu'est-ce que c'est ?
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Amigalopin
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#1200
Croisement entre un A-4 et un F-16 en construction amateure à l'échelle 1/3)....
... Non???..........
... Non???..........
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