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Rickenbacher a écrit :Il me tarde aussi

CJE a écrit :À cette époque, je comptais les revendications. Depuis les travaux d'Arnaud Gillet, je mets en regard les homologations.
Chacun se fera sa religion.

CJE a écrit :C'était une époque où les pertes de la LW n'étaient pas facilement accessibles, sauf à aller passer des heures et des heures à Fribourg, ce qui était incompatible avec mes fonctions.

CJE a écrit : Depuis, nous avons aussi les travaux de Peter Cornwell, même si je reste, moi aussi, très circonspect par rapport au petit jeu de qui a abattu qui.

jeanba a écrit : Maintenant que les archives deviennent dispos et exploitables (grâce aux "nouvelles technologies"), c'est leur interprétation qui va faire la différence entre les publications

CJE a écrit :Non, je ne crois pas. Même Cornwell reste souvent évasif.
Il me semble impossible, même en ayant participé au combat, d'être aussi affirmatif que certains auteurs l'ont été dans le passé, emportés par un enthousiasme aussi compréhensif que dommageable (j'en ai sans doute fait partie).
Quand un combat oppose une unité à une autre à un endroit et à un moment bien précis, cela reste possible – dans une certaine mesure. Quand plusieurs unités sont impliquées d'un côte ou d'un autre, cela relève de la divination.

C'est peut-être Pomier-Layrargues qui a abattu Mölders et Dundas qui a descendu Wick, mais, dans le fond, on ne le saura jamais. Les accents nationalistes sont souvent plus forts que la quête de la vérité historique.

jeanba a écrit :Ce n'est pas ce que je voulais dire par "interprétation" :
Je suis d'accord avec toi sur ce point, mais je pensais surtout "exploiter, comprendre et expliquer" les archives pour une meilleure compréhension globale des évènements.

CJE a écrit :C'est peut-être Pomier-Layrargues qui a abattu Mölders et Dundas qui a descendu Wick, mais, dans le fond, on ne le saura jamais. Les accents nationalistes sont souvent plus forts que la quête de la vérité historique.

rakacha a écrit : Et l'auteur des recensions n'a pas pu résister à se lancer des fleurs (Aviation FR en Indochine) ....

larsenjp a écrit : sur l'autre, il est probable que Dundas a effectivement abattu Wick avant d'être lui-même descendu par Pflanz. Mais c'est vrai que Pflanz a dit avoir vu Wick sauter en parachute alors que Rudorffer dit l'avoir vu plonger dans la mer avec son avion, probablement déjà mort aux commandes...

December 2..... More excitements to report. In my last letter I wrote saying that we had not had any of these offensive patrols for a long time... Well the day after I wrote they came again and it was a very eventful day. The first one was at lunch time and I had just had about one mouthful of soup when we were called out. As usual they came over at about 35,000ft and we were below them. They began to come down on us, but we saw them coming and turned to meet them. As soon as they climed back out to sea. We were by now all spilt up and after patrolling for some time looking for odd stray Huns I returned and landed. I found, on landing, that after we had spilt up, one of the pilots had found a lone Me 110 and shot it down in the sea, after a longish chase to the South of the Isle of Wight... We managed to stay on the ground till our tea arrived out at dispersal, but just as I was taking my first **** of bread we were all sent off again. Once more we were sent off late, and we were only at 23,000ft over the Isle of Wight when we saw the blighters coming in above us at about 30,000ft to 35,000ft. We were not making condensation trails at 23,000ft, but the Huns were, and when we saw some of the trails stop we knew that they were coming down on us... The next thing that happened was that, on looking over my right shoulder, I saw one of those beastly yellow-nosed blighters about a hunred yards on my right. It had obviosly dived down and had a pot at somebody in our formation and I must have first seen him just after he had finished shooting. My instinctive reaction was to pull up sharply to the right to see if anything was coming down on my tail. As I did this, the Me 109 slid across under me to my left and dived full speed for France. I flipped over to the left and dived flat out after him. The 109 was very keen to get home, and was a fool of over-confident, for he never looked round once to see whether he was being pursued or not. It took me time to catch up, especially as I was not such a fool and weaved slightly to keep a look out behind my tail. I was very angry with him for having surprised us and I knew that one of us must have been shot up by him. I distinctly remember muttering to myself as I flipped over and dived after him. You dirty b.......! This is where you get yours!”........ I crept up on him slowly, keeping beneath him in his blindest spot. Slowly he got bigger in my sights- then he was in range, but I did not open fire; I was going to make absolutely sure of him, so I waited till I was within about 100 yards. Then aiming carefully I fire a one second burst was enough. Black smoke belched forth and oil spattered over my windscreen. He half-rolled and dived away. I followed in a steep spiral to see what was going to happen but my speed became so great I pulled away and my wing hid him for a bit. When I looked again there was a large number of flaming fragments waffling down to the sea. One large black lump, which was not on fore, trailed a white plume which snapped open and became a parachute. This was the pilot and he must have baled out just before the petrol tank blew up. However, he landed in the sea and might just as well have blown up for he was never found. I went home in great spirits but this joy soon evaporated, for when I landed I heard of the death of the chap who had been flying just behind me. The 109 had shot at him, hitting his glycol system. Streaming smoke, he made for land and then tried to bale out. He bungled up his baling out and tore his parachute in doing so, with the result that his descent to earth was somewhat swift. His parachute streamed out behind him but owing to the tears did not open. We lost one other pilot that day, one of the Polish sergeants. He just disappeared and must have become involved with a large number of enemy fighters. So we lost two for two and that is not very satisfactory. I found that I had shot down my 109 with 440 rounds, that is 55 rounds from each gun. This is the easiest victory I’ve had and fulfilled a long-felt ambition to shoot down one of those damned yellow-nosed blighters. My total score is now six and a third confirmed, one unconfirmed and four damaged and is made up as follows: Destroyed confirmed: A half Dornier 17, one Ju87, one and a half [Ju88] and [a one-third] Ju88, one Me109, two Me 110’s. Probably destroyed: One He111. Damaged: Two He111’s, two Me110’s.

CJE a écrit :Ce n'est pas trop mon style.
Les recensions ne sont pas de moi.

Tubs a écrit :Possible oui, mais pas certain. Il y avait aussi dans le secteur et à la même heure, le N° 152 Sqn. Le P/O Eric Marrs, un pilote expérimenté, a revendiqué un Bf 109 à 10-15 miles au sud ouest des Needles.
Il a rapporté son combat dans son journal, qu'on peut lire en partie sur le site consacré au N° 152 Sqn http://www.152hyderabad.co.uk

CJE a écrit :Question "mets ta physique".

Est-ce que vous regardez la 4e de couverture ou est-ce que je perds mon temps et le fric de mon éditeur avec des conneries qui n'intéressent que moi ?

larsenjp a écrit :Je pense que ça coûterait peut-être un peu plus cher mais normalement les ventes devrait être boostées.

CJE a écrit :Question "mets ta physique".

Est-ce que vous regardez la 4e de couverture ou est-ce que je perds mon temps et le fric de mon éditeur avec des conneries qui n'intéressent que moi ?

warbird2000 a écrit :Le fana avait bien fait faire quelques couvertures par Hugault mais pas de pinup bien entendu

ramoucha a écrit :Humm... mais de la demoiselle sans petite tenue... y'a eu dans la version précédente d'AJ

mais pas en couv'

DoM